Daydreaming vs fantasizing

Hi all, it's Cynthia Schupak.  

When my co-author, Jayne Bigelsen, and I wrote our recently  published paper on the results of our 90-participant study, the most difficult part was defining the activity that actually constitutes the condition we've come to know as maladaptive daydreaming.  Our reviewers and editors insisted we read and comment on hundreds of pages of scholarly articles documenting how common mind-wandering, daydreaming, and other non-specific types of "off-task" thought occur in average people.  We found that the best definition fitting the mental activity shared by this community is not best alligned with daydreaming, which is simply too broadly used in the cognitive literature.  We also found that it is often the difficulty in limiting fantasizing time that is of concern to many with MD; thus we referred to literature on other types of compulsive disorders (eating, gambling, shopping, etc.) that are recognized diagnostically, though not by DSM... and we titled our paper "Compulsive Fantasy".  Below is a quote from our paper that illustrates how we arrived at this:

…what was most useful for understanding the mental activity of the present study population were Klinger’s observations that although most people have an intuitive understanding of the meaning of the terms 'daydreaming' and 'fantasy’,

‘‘from a scientific standpoint, these topics of daydreaming and fantasy are considerably more complex. Daydreaming appears to be an essential component of people’s equipment for functioning. Yet, both daydreaming and fantasizing are poorly defined concepts, and they are by no means the same thing’’ (p. 225).

 In 1971, Klinger stated that: ‘‘Most investigators would agree that a fictional tale created by a subject for his own pleasure and for no other purpose constitutes an instance of fantasy’’(p. 6).

 Butler (2006) offered a strikingly similar and useful definition differentiating between daydreaming and fantasy:

The typical daydream begins spontaneously and is experienced as an ongoing series of brief associated thoughts or images triggered by internal or external stimuli or cues and deals most often with current life concerns. In contrast the development of fantasy may be an elected pastime. It is more elaborate and continuous, composed of more pure imagination and directed at self amusement, pleasure, distraction and escape (p. 48).

We recognize that MD is an established label and noted this in our paper, citing the very large online community (you guys) who identify this way...I'm posting this in response to a thread I came upon onsite recently -- and ultimately lost.  Hope this is meaningful to someone here -- and my best to you all.

 

 

 

 

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    Emma

    Yeah, compulsive fantasy works better for me too because I did it compulsively my whole life, not just when I was trying to cope.  Maladaptive sounds like when you use compulsive fantasy as a coping mechanism, which I also do now but didn't always.

    Nomad said:

    I'd like to throw in my thanks to you, Jayne Bigelsen, Eli Sommer, and Cordelia.

    About the topic: I'm not hearing anyone say they're married to the term "maladaptive daydreaming." I personally prefer "compulsive fantasy." It's not just that "fantasy" fits better than "daydream." It's also that the word "compulsive" is familiar and easily understood. "Maladaptive" works well in Dr. Sommer's professional article, but it's a bit fancy for the Internet.

    Am I the only one who feels this way? Is it true that "MD is an established label" so people want to hang on to it? Does anyone think "maladaptive daydreaming" works better than "compulsive fantasy"?

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      Emma

      Love your posts, Pseudo Life.

      That happens to me too- the daydream gets boring.  I start to lose interest.  In the past, that has been the best time for me to break away from it.  Cease the moment!  Then what usually happens is that something will happen in my real life or I'll read about something that excites me, and next thing you know, I introduce that element to the daydream, introduce a new character, and then it is all fresh and exciting again.  Or failing that, I'll kill off someone!  Ha ha- when I got to that part of your post, it made me laugh out loud!


      And now lately, I've been through that process so many times that I've brought someone back to life!  lol



      Pseudo Life said:

      One thing I've noticed lately, is this particular, very detailed, very researched daydream is starting to get boring which makes me feel like someone  will die.  

       

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        Caitlin

        Dr. Cynthia this might sound like a stupid question, I know that MD is not listed in the DSM, what action would need to be taken in order for it to be listed? Thanks!