ATTENTION, ATTENTION PLEASE - VERY IMPORNATNT INFORMATION - Wild Minds network2024-03-28T13:37:15Zhttps://wildminds.ning.com/forum/topics/attention-attention-please-very-impornatnt-information?commentId=4661400%3AComment%3A209708&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noMD is alot like racing though…tag:wildminds.ning.com,2015-07-02:4661400:Comment:2097082015-07-02T14:05:04.243ZEmmahttps://wildminds.ning.com/profile/Emma499
<blockquote><p><span>MD is alot like racing thoughts, except racing thoughts don't always have to be visual images under that criteria. however there is overlap between the two, </span></p>
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<p>In what way is MD like racing thoughts? I see no similarities, but I've only read the Wiki description of racing thoughts.</p>
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<p>You mention that MD includes disorganized thoughts, but (again, just from the Wiki descriptions- I'm no therapists), MD feels nothing at all…</p>
<blockquote><p><span>MD is alot like racing thoughts, except racing thoughts don't always have to be visual images under that criteria. however there is overlap between the two, </span></p>
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<p>In what way is MD like racing thoughts? I see no similarities, but I've only read the Wiki description of racing thoughts.</p>
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<p>You mention that MD includes disorganized thoughts, but (again, just from the Wiki descriptions- I'm no therapists), MD feels nothing at all whatsoever like disordered/disorganized thoughts. The description could not be further from what I experience with my daydreaming. You mention also that it is intrusive and automatic, but I don't believe this to be the case either though I can definitely see how there could be some similarities. My urge to daydream does pop up sometimes when I do not expect it, but if I think about it, there is almost always a trigger of some sort- even if it is just boredom or fatigue or anxiety. It never feels like it is something I can't break out of or stop doing if necessary. It doesn't feel like I have no choice in the matter. Instead, it feels like an addiction- something I'm totally aware that I'm doing, that I'm willfully doing, that I wish I weren't doing but I do it anyway because it's pleasant and it helps me cope with things and I enjoy it in the moment, even though the long-term effect of doing it so much is problematic, and if there is something else that I need to be doing and I will myself to think about that instead, I totally can- it's just that frequently I <em>don't</em>. That is the big distinction.</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Ash Lumiere said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wildminds.ning.com/forum/topics/attention-attention-please-very-impornatnt-information?id=4661400%3ATopic%3A68905&page=3#4661400Comment209707"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I agree that they worded it very poorly. I believe MD exist however my own point is about comorbidity. Alot of same illnesses have genetic overlap. That is why you may find families where one person has schizophrenia and the other bipolar disorder. Also cormobid illnesses may interact with MD, like may make it worse. MD is alot like racing thoughts, except racing thoughts don't always have to be visual images under that criteria. however there is overlap between the two, and i think it's important to note that, since certain medications target disorganized thought process/rumination. Like I take medication commonly used for schizophrenia but it works just as well for bipolar disorder, because the two have the overlap of disorganized thought. Maladaptive Daydreaming is disorganized thought as well. It's automatic and distracting from things around you. I wonder if medication that helps with those symptoms in other disorders may help with the symptoms for MD as well. I also agree that MD needs to be classified as it's own condition. Unlike Leonardo i don't believe its the same thing as Bipolar Disorder, I just believe there is a comorbidity since alot of people with bipolar disorder often complain about daydreaming problems as well. Comorbidity means that if you have one disorder you are alot more likely to have another disorder with it (due to genetic overlap)</p>
<p><br/> <cite>Kia Hood said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wildminds.ning.com/forum/topics/attention-attention-please-very-impornatnt-information?commentId=4661400%3AComment%3A209669&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4661400Comment209669"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>There is a huge number of mental illnesses out there, making it only natural that a lot of them are similar and share certain symptoms, which is why a lot of people misdiagnos themselves/get misdiagnosed at first only to find out what they're having is something completely different. That, however, does not mean that one mental illness does not exist because there is already one out there wih similar symptoms. </p>
<p>Furthermore, there are two very important reasons why diagnosis is needed. One, so you can get medication to treat the illness should it affect your life too much and you want to do something about it etc. Two, because you feel like a certain part of you is different in comparison to other people and once you find out that there is an actual name for it, that other people have it to, it gives you comfort and makes you feel less alone. The latter part is especially important in this reply, because I think you don't quite understand that people identifying themselves with MD do so because they can relate. A lot of people have spent quite the amount of time doing research and their symptoms and thus found out about MD, meaning that if what they were having was actually racing thoughts, they probably would have found that instead.</p>
<p>I get that you're only trying to help, but I find it a little rude to be honest that you make such a huge announcement just because this is how it's been for you. You could've made a post about racing thoughts and how you find it to be similar to MD instead of stating that we're "wasting precious time of [our lives]". Which is not only rude because you're claiming us to be wasting our time by identifying with a mental illness that describes our lives, your also implying that what we're identifying does not exist, which is just plain rude. How would you feel about someone saying "You don't have cramps/stomach ache, you're just hungry!" No. Just because there are similarities, does not mean one thing does not exist, or rather the thing you claim to have does not exist. Please think about that before making a huge announcement without any further proof (you could have at least written down the symtpoms of racing thoughts and why you think that exists and we all have that and not MD).</p>
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</blockquote> I agree that they worded it v…tag:wildminds.ning.com,2015-07-01:4661400:Comment:2097072015-07-01T19:35:15.448ZAsh Lumierehttps://wildminds.ning.com/profile/AshLumiere
<p>I agree that they worded it very poorly. I believe MD exist however my own point is about comorbidity. Alot of same illnesses have genetic overlap. That is why you may find families where one person has schizophrenia and the other bipolar disorder. Also cormobid illnesses may interact with MD, like may make it worse. MD is alot like racing thoughts, except racing thoughts don't always have to be visual images under that criteria. however there is overlap between the two, and i think it's…</p>
<p>I agree that they worded it very poorly. I believe MD exist however my own point is about comorbidity. Alot of same illnesses have genetic overlap. That is why you may find families where one person has schizophrenia and the other bipolar disorder. Also cormobid illnesses may interact with MD, like may make it worse. MD is alot like racing thoughts, except racing thoughts don't always have to be visual images under that criteria. however there is overlap between the two, and i think it's important to note that, since certain medications target disorganized thought process/rumination. Like I take medication commonly used for schizophrenia but it works just as well for bipolar disorder, because the two have the overlap of disorganized thought. Maladaptive Daydreaming is disorganized thought as well. It's automatic and distracting from things around you. I wonder if medication that helps with those symptoms in other disorders may help with the symptoms for MD as well. I also agree that MD needs to be classified as it's own condition. Unlike Leonardo i don't believe its the same thing as Bipolar Disorder, I just believe there is a comorbidity since alot of people with bipolar disorder often complain about daydreaming problems as well. Comorbidity means that if you have one disorder you are alot more likely to have another disorder with it (due to genetic overlap)</p>
<p><br/> <cite>Kia Hood said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wildminds.ning.com/forum/topics/attention-attention-please-very-impornatnt-information?commentId=4661400%3AComment%3A209669&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4661400Comment209669"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>There is a huge number of mental illnesses out there, making it only natural that a lot of them are similar and share certain symptoms, which is why a lot of people misdiagnos themselves/get misdiagnosed at first only to find out what they're having is something completely different. That, however, does not mean that one mental illness does not exist because there is already one out there wih similar symptoms. </p>
<p>Furthermore, there are two very important reasons why diagnosis is needed. One, so you can get medication to treat the illness should it affect your life too much and you want to do something about it etc. Two, because you feel like a certain part of you is different in comparison to other people and once you find out that there is an actual name for it, that other people have it to, it gives you comfort and makes you feel less alone. The latter part is especially important in this reply, because I think you don't quite understand that people identifying themselves with MD do so because they can relate. A lot of people have spent quite the amount of time doing research and their symptoms and thus found out about MD, meaning that if what they were having was actually racing thoughts, they probably would have found that instead.</p>
<p>I get that you're only trying to help, but I find it a little rude to be honest that you make such a huge announcement just because this is how it's been for you. You could've made a post about racing thoughts and how you find it to be similar to MD instead of stating that we're "wasting precious time of [our lives]". Which is not only rude because you're claiming us to be wasting our time by identifying with a mental illness that describes our lives, your also implying that what we're identifying does not exist, which is just plain rude. How would you feel about someone saying "You don't have cramps/stomach ache, you're just hungry!" No. Just because there are similarities, does not mean one thing does not exist, or rather the thing you claim to have does not exist. Please think about that before making a huge announcement without any further proof (you could have at least written down the symtpoms of racing thoughts and why you think that exists and we all have that and not MD).</p>
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</blockquote> Hmm, I appreciate your sense…tag:wildminds.ning.com,2015-07-01:4661400:Comment:2096722015-07-01T15:20:44.037ZEmmahttps://wildminds.ning.com/profile/Emma499
<p>Hmm, I appreciate your sense of urgency and your desire to help others, but what works for you and what causes your problem is not the case for everyone.</p>
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<p>In my own opinion, maladaptive daydreaming is a tendency that many people have. Then, situations arise in life that cause that tendency to be stronger or lesser, depending on the individual.</p>
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<p>In my own case, I have done it my whole life off and on. There was no underlying problem or cause or anything going on…</p>
<p>Hmm, I appreciate your sense of urgency and your desire to help others, but what works for you and what causes your problem is not the case for everyone.</p>
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<p>In my own opinion, maladaptive daydreaming is a tendency that many people have. Then, situations arise in life that cause that tendency to be stronger or lesser, depending on the individual.</p>
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<p>In my own case, I have done it my whole life off and on. There was no underlying problem or cause or anything going on that was bad when I was young. It was just something pleasant I did when I had nothing else to do or when I was trying to sleep or going for long drives or whatever.</p>
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<p>During periods of my life when things have been very stressful or I've dealt with trauma, I use maladaptive daydreaming as an escape. I have gotten so comfortable with it that I do not really want to get up and stop doing it. I crave it now the way people crave all sorts of easy, pleasurable distractions- like alcohol or television or surfing the net. The longer you do it, the harder it is to focus on real life.</p>
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<p>While I have no doubt that other people have different reasons and causes, these are mine. Racing thoughts and bipolar disorder may be causes for you or for others. If so, I'm really happy that you have found a way to treat it and make yourself healthier. But those things are not a problem for me. I have zero of the symptoms/behaviors associated with bipolar disorder, and the descriptions of racing thoughts that I've read have absolutely no resemblance to my experience with maladaptive daydreaming. Moreover, with the exception of losing myself in daydreaming, I have no problem focusing my attention on other things.</p>
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<p>So my point is that while I think your advice is valid and might help some people, I think it is a little rash to suggest that everyone needs to get on lithium or that they are wasting their time discussing this in this forum.</p>
<p></p> There is a huge number of men…tag:wildminds.ning.com,2015-07-01:4661400:Comment:2096692015-07-01T15:07:17.874ZKia Hoodhttps://wildminds.ning.com/profile/KiaHood
<p>There is a huge number of mental illnesses out there, making it only natural that a lot of them are similar and share certain symptoms, which is why a lot of people misdiagnos themselves/get misdiagnosed at first only to find out what they're having is something completely different. That, however, does not mean that one mental illness does not exist because there is already one out there wih similar symptoms. </p>
<p>Furthermore, there are two very important reasons why diagnosis is needed.…</p>
<p>There is a huge number of mental illnesses out there, making it only natural that a lot of them are similar and share certain symptoms, which is why a lot of people misdiagnos themselves/get misdiagnosed at first only to find out what they're having is something completely different. That, however, does not mean that one mental illness does not exist because there is already one out there wih similar symptoms. </p>
<p>Furthermore, there are two very important reasons why diagnosis is needed. One, so you can get medication to treat the illness should it affect your life too much and you want to do something about it etc. Two, because you feel like a certain part of you is different in comparison to other people and once you find out that there is an actual name for it, that other people have it to, it gives you comfort and makes you feel less alone. The latter part is especially important in this reply, because I think you don't quite understand that people identifying themselves with MD do so because they can relate. A lot of people have spent quite the amount of time doing research and their symptoms and thus found out about MD, meaning that if what they were having was actually racing thoughts, they probably would have found that instead.</p>
<p>I get that you're only trying to help, but I find it a little rude to be honest that you make such a huge announcement just because this is how it's been for you. You could've made a post about racing thoughts and how you find it to be similar to MD instead of stating that we're "wasting precious time of [our lives]". Which is not only rude because you're claiming us to be wasting our time by identifying with a mental illness that describes our lives, your also implying that what we're identifying does not exist, which is just plain rude. How would you feel about someone saying "You don't have cramps/stomach ache, you're just hungry!" No. Just because there are similarities, does not mean one thing does not exist, or rather the thing you claim to have does not exist. Please think about that before making a huge announcement without any further proof (you could have at least written down the symtpoms of racing thoughts and why you think that exists and we all have that and not MD).</p> Not everyone with bipolar dis…tag:wildminds.ning.com,2015-06-30:4661400:Comment:2096572015-06-30T06:31:33.957ZAsh Lumierehttps://wildminds.ning.com/profile/AshLumiere
<p>Not everyone with bipolar disorder does "crazy shit" like "max out their debit cards" or "rage quit their job". Those with Bipolar type II do not experience full blown mania and experience hypomania, which is very subtle. You maybe be more impulsive but with different people sometimes this expresses in healthy ways. Besides sleeping little, I start projects, become very social. Hypomania is usually a very productive and high functional but brief period of time. The hypomanic episode is very…</p>
<p>Not everyone with bipolar disorder does "crazy shit" like "max out their debit cards" or "rage quit their job". Those with Bipolar type II do not experience full blown mania and experience hypomania, which is very subtle. You maybe be more impulsive but with different people sometimes this expresses in healthy ways. Besides sleeping little, I start projects, become very social. Hypomania is usually a very productive and high functional but brief period of time. The hypomanic episode is very rare, and most time one is in a state of depression for months. This is what its like to be living with Bipolar 2, and most people go undiagnosed for years because it is subtle and presents itself usually as severe non-treatment responsive depression. Through out this depression you experience mixed episodes, were your either agitated and need to pace or were you have a hard time moving but your thoughts are racing. I believe there is a high comorbidity between Bipolar Disorder and Maladaptive Daydreaming Disorder, because bipolar comes with psychotic feature such as having poor control over the direction of your thoughts and having a hard time focusing on things around you.</p> I'm glad that you have got be…tag:wildminds.ning.com,2014-04-03:4661400:Comment:1782572014-04-03T19:47:59.307ZTinkerbellhttps://wildminds.ning.com/profile/ShareenaClarke
<p>I'm glad that you have got better and found out what is wrong with you. For many people here they may be misdiagnosed but for others they do have Maladaptive Daydreaming. I know you are only trying to help but I think you were wrong here in presuming that" everyone" here has to have the same condition you have when that may not be the case. </p>
<p>I'm glad that you have got better and found out what is wrong with you. For many people here they may be misdiagnosed but for others they do have Maladaptive Daydreaming. I know you are only trying to help but I think you were wrong here in presuming that" everyone" here has to have the same condition you have when that may not be the case. </p> I get racing thoughts it is c…tag:wildminds.ning.com,2014-02-06:4661400:Comment:1725622014-02-06T08:45:26.312ZSwanInTheWaterhttps://wildminds.ning.com/profile/SwanInTheWater
<p>I get racing thoughts it is completely different. Racing thoughts is </p>
<p><em>That's a pretty flower, it looks like the one from my Barbie picture book I had as a kid it came with flower seeds my first grade teacher gave us seeds once to plant in the school garden I miss that school I miss my first best friend she used to wear braids a lot I think I wanna wear braids in my hair ugh but they take so long sometimes I just want to buy a wig, Cher wears wigs a lot and it's cool I miss when I…</em></p>
<p>I get racing thoughts it is completely different. Racing thoughts is </p>
<p><em>That's a pretty flower, it looks like the one from my Barbie picture book I had as a kid it came with flower seeds my first grade teacher gave us seeds once to plant in the school garden I miss that school I miss my first best friend she used to wear braids a lot I think I wanna wear braids in my hair ugh but they take so long sometimes I just want to buy a wig, Cher wears wigs a lot and it's cool I miss when I used to listen to cher, we heard her album in the car ride to Canada there were so many stars in the sky too bad I can't see stars in this city but at least we have a lot of stores I gotta go shopping on Thursday I wanna buy some nice edgy clothes oh I think I have the perfect boots for edgy clothes</em></p>
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<p><em>*Runs to closet and starts putting outfits together and trying some on*</em></p>
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<p><strong>MDD is more like acting in a soap opera, in your head. Long and involved and very detailed with dialogue, complex characters and storylines.</strong></p> I appreciate the concern but…tag:wildminds.ning.com,2012-05-08:4661400:Comment:874752012-05-08T03:43:12.037ZSteve Chttps://wildminds.ning.com/profile/SteveC176
<p>I appreciate the concern but find it a bit presumptive to assume that our symptoms are to be lumped into the single category of bi-polar disorder based on a symptom that has some similarities (sometimes) to MD. There are many differences between bi-polar disorder and MD symptoms, so not weighing that into your argument makes it pretty fallible.</p>
<p>I appreciate the concern but find it a bit presumptive to assume that our symptoms are to be lumped into the single category of bi-polar disorder based on a symptom that has some similarities (sometimes) to MD. There are many differences between bi-polar disorder and MD symptoms, so not weighing that into your argument makes it pretty fallible.</p> that doesn't sound like me at…tag:wildminds.ning.com,2012-05-06:4661400:Comment:875032012-05-06T09:35:16.281ZDarrenhttps://wildminds.ning.com/profile/Wadupp
<p>that doesn't sound like me at all </p>
<p>sure i have mood swings but it just makes me really depressed or makes me really happy but people with bipolar disorder do crazy shit when they're experiencing their mood swings like max out their credit cards...lol...cause their mood swings are that intense. </p>
<p>that doesn't sound like me at all </p>
<p>sure i have mood swings but it just makes me really depressed or makes me really happy but people with bipolar disorder do crazy shit when they're experiencing their mood swings like max out their credit cards...lol...cause their mood swings are that intense. </p> Racing thoughts is only one s…tag:wildminds.ning.com,2012-05-06:4661400:Comment:872002012-05-06T09:32:28.138ZDarrenhttps://wildminds.ning.com/profile/Wadupp
<p>Racing thoughts is only one symptom of Bipolar Disorder. Even though it might be similar to maladaptive daydreaming, you have to have a lot of symptoms of bipolar disorder to actually be diagnosed with bipolar disorder. It says people with bipolar disorder do crazy stuff like max out their debit cards, rage quit their jobs and get 2 hours of sleep and still be energized. …</p>
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<p>Racing thoughts is only one symptom of Bipolar Disorder. Even though it might be similar to maladaptive daydreaming, you have to have a lot of symptoms of bipolar disorder to actually be diagnosed with bipolar disorder. It says people with bipolar disorder do crazy stuff like max out their debit cards, rage quit their jobs and get 2 hours of sleep and still be energized. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.helpguide.org/mental/bipolar_disorder_symptoms_treatment.htm">http://www.helpguide.org/mental/bipolar_disorder_symptoms_treatment.htm</a></p>